"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
10/18/2018 at 18:49 • Filed to: None
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"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
10/18/2018 at 18:49 • Filed to: None | 1
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This, or a “ Mini”
Once again, Mr. Trump threatened to close our international border by summoning the army because of a refugee caravan.
N ormally Mexico is disadvantaged when it comes to negotiations like these, but there’s a difference between having a disadvantage and sending hundreds Federal Police officers to our souther border to stop the caravan on the twitter whims of a foreign leader.
In my honest opinion, we should really stop doing this shit. Not necessarily because of the refugees, but because of strategy: this is a slippery slope, and while we should be good neighbors, we must remind ourselves that those actions must go both ways, not only south.
But it’s also about basic strategy, the Mexican government swiftly reacted to Trumps tweet as if it was an order, is this willingness to work for the US putting us at a disadvantage we want to be in? Are the rewards of doing dirty work worth it?
Maybe the Mexican Government wanted him to shut up; the quieter that Trump is the less hysteria around border security will form near the midterms, and by stopping the newest caravan the hype he can build up is reduced; and as such his fanbase is more relaxed, (ie: less likely to vote).
Now, the Mexican government doesn’t really care about these refugees, and it’s mutual with the refugees: They don’t want to be here either. Is it arrogant that refugees don’t find Mexico “good enough” to settle here? Are they “fleeing” or just leaving because they want to be paid better? In conclusion: neither matters.
What matters is that no one leaves their country without a good reason, and if that reason is supported by international bodies, well.... It should be listened to, and respected.
The truth is that the US as a world power, and Mexico as a regional power should be helping these migrants as much as possible rather than putting their safety in jeopardy by limiting their access to the resources necessary to settle here or in America (Be it by not properly reading migrants their rights here, or by the clusterfuck that immigration courts are in the US).
vondon302
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 19:04 |
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Grear post.
Not car related but meh you tried.
As an Murican living in Michigan I find this stuff enlighteneing. Keep it up.
The Dummy Gummy
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 19:08 |
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I don’t think you understand the meaning of refugee.
Refugee - a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
Is there a war persecution natural disaster happening in Mexico that I don’t know about? That being said I’m for helping people better their lives, but this president is 100% against that unfortunately. These are the consequences we will have to live with for a few years.
InFierority Complex
> The Dummy Gummy
10/18/2018 at 19:13 |
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Spanfeller is a twat
> The Dummy Gummy
10/18/2018 at 19:16 |
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I mean they are migrants, but their final objective in most cases is to be refugees either here in Mexico but mostly in the US. All big news sources have described the members of the caravan as asylum seekers or wanting to apply for a refugee status. But I agree I miss-used the word slightly.
About helping... Well, we know about Trump not being very charitable... I just wonder what steps could be taken to make sure people are safe. Be it by having an action plan in those C entral A merican nations or by summoning the UN to diversify the refugee load across various nations. Stability is good for everyone.
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> vondon302
10/18/2018 at 19:16 |
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Grear?
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> The Dummy Gummy
10/18/2018 at 19:25 |
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Also, just saw your edit. Shit is like sort of under control here... but in Central America it’s really shitty, any reasonable person could assume most people are truthfully seeking asylum.
DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 19:28 |
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Mini
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The Dummy Gummy
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 19:43 |
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Word usage is ok, I was just more concerned something bigger was happening that I didn’t know about. News outlets seem to mask atrocities of that sort.
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The Dummy Gummy
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 19:44 |
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That’s awful. Hope they can find a better home. Is there no where south or within Mexico they could go? I’m not saying this as, I don’t want them here, but seems like a long haul.
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The Dummy Gummy
> InFierority Complex
10/18/2018 at 19:48 |
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That super fucked up.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 20:06 |
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bmw has the ugliest bumpers of any manufacturer.
and wtf is this on the rocker
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> The Dummy Gummy
10/18/2018 at 20:14 |
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As far as language and socio-economic barriers go, Mexico is probably a better choice for them. However, migrants from Central American tend to come without a passport or the necessary documents to stay here legally, so abuse by crime rings and the police itself is rampant since reporting a crime would probably end with you deported.
As far as being safe in the shortest amount of time, migrating to the US or Europe is the best choice. But I understand why it’s a burden on the US. Ideally, I think refugees could stay here, but I also think the UN should be helping with the collateral costs, and member states should be taking in more refugees from this region.
Lets say the government has a change of heart, like Obrador promised a few days ago by saying Mexico would improve it’s refugee administrative institutions: it could help and we definitely have space. But we still have a long way to go, we might not have the resources to take on a serious immigration wave...but then again I can’t think of any nation that could take in all the refugees without big consequences, but it’s a question of human rights and how all of us pull some weight as nations.
It’s also a question of how many of these people are being displaced against their will and how to avoid the displacement in the first place. If Guatemala and El Salvador had stronger public institutions less people would migrate... Just look at what happened here from the 1980 to the 2010s . Mexican immigration to the US is dropping and it’s because our institutions have been gradually improving. We still have a long ways to go, but it means less people find themselves in need of moving in the first place. You could also look at a model of temporary immigration, like Mexico and the US practiced for most of their history or what Europe does now with the Schengen zone.
If there was an economic incentive for the Governments of El Salvador and Honduras and Guatemala to keep their citizens safe and economically stable, they wouldn’t go to America. This notion that they go to “steal” jobs from people is laughable! People don’t want to leave their home towns! But that has been tried before and failed . Right now the Guatemalan police isn’t at the border because their care about their people; they care about Uncle Sam’s check.
I’m not bright enough to solve it :/
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> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
10/18/2018 at 20:15 |
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I think the M35i is almost handsome... definitely not ugly.
I wonder how it compares to the SQ2 in the battle of hatches on heels.
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vondon302
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 20:26 |
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Oops having a little wine with dinner.
Cheers
Enginerrrrrrrrr
> The Dummy Gummy
10/18/2018 at 21:09 |
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Your definition is broader than you think.
https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/
Calling them migrants is incorrect if they’re fleeing violence.
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Enginerrrrrrrrr
> Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2018 at 21:13 |
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Mexico should be helping a neighboring country as that’s typically what you are supposed to do for your neighbors. Let’s also just completely ignore the man in power here in the USA for a second...
I’m not sure Mexico would be capable to truly help the thousands fleeing violence from the rest of Central America, which is why they deport so many back to their countries. Because of this we get the ‘caravans’ coming to the USA. Of course it’s not likely they’ll be able to stay here because of obvious, unfortunate reasons.
And instead of trying to help the situation, our unfortunate person sitting in the white house threatens to not only make the situation worse for those central american countries by stopping aid shipments, but also by sending these people back, many to their deaths (there’s already been proof of this).
It’s truly fucking awful and one of the worst things to come out of our current ‘leadership’.
Maybe you guys could just bypass us for now and ask Canada to help out?
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> Enginerrrrrrrrr
10/18/2018 at 21:35 |
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I’m not sure what we can do. I’d argue that maybe these people could be given five- year renewable visas as a solution to violence is found.... but I don’t know.
people are weird.